Monthly Archives: October 2016

I won’t be intimidated

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I wasn’t surprised today when I got some tweets back on Twitter as a result of linking Victorian Health Minister Jill Hennessy to the AV Name Check on Tuesday morning. I was delighted when I was notified that she liked the tweet – so take a look at what was said, and it includes some further responses from me;

Click on the date to see the details. Not to the abuse level of what the Minister copped as she said in the video, but lying liars got to lie! This is the ignorance that is dangerous. There was one other tweet that made an accusation that needed to be addressed as you’ll see (and again click on the date to see the details);

Needless to say, these people were given the block treatment – and Charisse is being added to the AV Name Check on the next update, especially as it would appear that she has a child who is Autistic, and guess what? She blames vaccines. That’s the right way to get my back up and BIG time!! It’s a flagrant lie.

Let’s make this absolutely clear. The AV Name Check is compiled based on my opinion that each and every person either doesn’t vaccinate their own children for any reason other than a proven medical issue (that is direct child neglect/abuse in my opinion – vaccines work and are as safe as any other medical procedure), or they try to scare other parents with false stories, unproven anecdotes and pseudo science into taking the same decision (that is incitement into child neglect/abuse in my opinion). This is a reply to the anti vaxxers Pro Vax Troll List that was published on the TAVS website in mid 2015 – and I’m on it. I consider that to be an honour, because it shows I was already hurting them before All About Anti Vaxxers was even founded let alone the AV Name Check being created.

There is of course one difference – the tags showing that I have addresses. I said on my tweet that it was nasty. I admit that. But when those of us are faced with the sort of abuse that the Minister copped – and in some cases (including me) worse than that – when debate and education doesn’t work, what do you do? Ignore it? No, I don’t buy that because that’s letting the bastards win. It has taken awhile because when I first started really fighting the governments both in Canberra and at state level weren’t taking it as seriously as they should have. That changed federally with No Jab No Pay, finally showing recognition that education is no longer working. No one is listening. So it is needed to get nasty, and it’s all for a very important group of people. The children. The next generation. Our future. Of all the responses I got from the state Ministers, Jill’s was the best. It wasn’t perfect, but as I said that was awhile ago.

Let’s make this clear – I am not breaching any laws. I’m not publishing the addresses. That would be stupid. The Minister played it safe not giving real names of those who messaged her. I’m not so shy in that regard, but I know where the line is on privacy. Also, if anyone takes real offence to being called out and think they’ve been defamed, there is legal redress. I’ve already copped two legal threats over the Name Check, both of them empty. I also got a threat due to the previous entry which can be seen in the comments. That one I believe is empty as well (it’s very recent so there’s no way of actually telling yet, but that’s my instinct). Anyway, that’s another area where I know where the line is – what with three lawsuits for defamation as the plaintiff, and three decisions in my favour for a 100 percent strike rate.

In a perfect world I want these anti vaxxers punished. Failing that I can do what I can. The science is clear on vaccines, they work and they are as safe as any other medical procedure. The anti vax sourcing is terrible. It’s either a totally unreliable source (too many to name), or a misinterpretation of articles from inconsistent sources like PubMed and Science Daily (especially the former). Another source that needs to be put in it’s place is America’s Court of Federal Claims, AKA The Vaccine Court. I recently saw an article on a website called the Australian National Review claiming that the court had shown vaccines to be dangerous. No it hasn’t because it is not a court under the common law as such. It is what we in Australia would call a tribunal of review – a bit like Victoria’s Civil and Administration Tribunal (VCAT) or the federal Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT). Not exactly, because unlike our Tribunals the Vaccine Court only requires 50.01 percent of proof of the claim for it to be accepted. That is rubbish. Paying out on probability instead of cast iron proven. It’s the core reason why I think the Vaccine Court should be shut down, along with the fact that it protects quacks who make errors in administering vaccines – the main cause of any issues that people THINK are all about the vaccine.

Then there are the parents who claim personal experience, especially the mothers who claim “mother’s instinct”. Sometimes these are spot on, but every time they are it has medical back up after the fact. I can talk about that, because my own mother suspected I was Autistic in 1967 – when I was 2 years old. But I wasn’t diagnosed until 1997. Why? Because the diagnostic criteria wasn’t there in 1967. But when that instinct has NO medical back up, then it’s not proven. It’s speculation. And when these mums are challenged on it, they get all upset over it thinking they know everything because it’s their kid. Emotionally understandable, but medically actually a THREAT to their child and they don’t even realise it. There’s a perfect example of this residing in the western Victorian town of Horsham. You don’t try to change the bad hand you are dealt in life looking for a good hand. You have to play that bad hand, and adjust to it.

All these morons anger me – especially the ones who claim vaccines cause Autism when it doesn’t. And when I’m angry I fight back against those who have provoked me. I keep my head doing it though, and I justify every bit of it. If that comes of as intimidating then fine. But I’m not intimidated myself. That’s for the precious little morons who can’t handle what’s put in front of them, and when that’s the truth – THEY have the problem. I will gleefully call out the lies and if you are named – too bad.

Disclaimer – I receive NO money for these comments from anyone, let alone the pharmaceutical companies. I live on the Australian Disability Support Pension. Saying otherwise is a lie and insinuates welfare fraud. Crossing that line IS defamation so be warned about that.

Side Note – Got a comment from an entry back at the start of April linking a junk blog entry trying to link SIDS to the increased vaccine schedule, using a linear progression analysis. In other words, a statistical comparison that is easy to get wrong without the full figures. When you don’t have the full figures, you can make stats prove anything you want them to. Ergo – the comment hit the rubbish bin.

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David Wilson is a liar

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In amongst the nonsense on Jill Hennessy’s Facebook page, there is a retired registered nurse who made a total fool of himself in front of a scientist as well as a few other people.

Wilson resides in the Barossa Valley in South Australia. He says that he is in his 60’s and here is how he started his nonsense over the Whooping Cough vaccine;

just a little ” FACT ” for all of you – Both my sister and I were fully vaccinated – at the age of 8 yrs my sister contracted ” whooping cough ” and was literaly minutes from death !! – Vaccines do not always work ! – the ” anti vaxers ” do have some very valid arguements ! – the most ” hysterical ” comments that I see in this debate usually come from narrow minded ” Pro Vaxers ” !!

First up was Ashlee Thomas rightly calling him a joke causing this rubbish in reply;

so tell Ashlee why did my sister contract Whooping Cough although vaccinated ??? – almost dying is no ” joke ” – do you have a problem witha bit factual information that may condradict your piont of view ? – or do you think that this did not happen ? – ps I also worked as a Nurse for over 25 yrs !!

That caused Vivienne Kempson to come in and remind him that the vaccine required boosters and if everyone was vaccinated that wouldn’t have happened. And that caused more whining;

as I have said we both had all our Boosters etc – is it that you cannot cope with something that goes against your opinion? – I mean this happened it was real – how do you explain it ???

In came the scientist – Melanie Jewell – pointing to lack of herd immunity. Chuan Chew backed that up in more detail, and Wilson hit the stupid button thus;

Well I don’t know – we grew up in a quite affluent community where I would think the majority of children would have been fully vaccinated – I am just posing the Question! – it has been my experience that the avid pro vaxers tend to ” cherry pick ” their so called ” Facts ” – in my time as a Nurse I encountered many cases of vaccinated children contracting diseases that they were vaccinated for – whilst I agree that the ” herd immunity ” arguement has merit – when you see the many cases that I have – then I must at the least question the theory !

Melanie shot back telling him to question why not enough people were vaccinated instead of his line there. Sean Whitten pointed out that some can’t be vaccinated for good medical reasons and that’s why herd immunity is so important. And Wilson continued his stupidity;

for some one who has good Qualifacations you are very easily fooled ? – the facts are that at that time ( I am 62 yrs old ) Vaccination rates where I lived were extremely High – the reality is – that Vaccines do not work for all people ! – that is not ” Rocket science ” ! why do you rabid pro vaxers refuse to believe reality ? Vaccines are like any other drug / medicine – they are not 100% effective for 100% of the population !

The admin from Why are Anti Vaxer so threatened by WORDS (I’ll call them WAAV from now on) pointed out that nurses have no training in vaccination and the vaccine on offer back then is not the same as the one now. Melanie furthered the herd immunity argument, and Wilson again hit the stupid button first to WAAV;

BS whoever you are !! – you have little knowledge or experience with the real world perhaps YOU need to GROW UP ! – I have seen what I have seen in Real Life unlike you – a keyboard warrior !!- OH and by the way I am not an ” anti vaxer ” !! – and I notice that you have an impessive 2 likes – well done ?-0 Oh and because I question so called ” science ” you label me an ” anti vaxer ” ? – what a Goose you are ! – such an arrogant person – very sad indeed !!c

And then to Melanie;

well I am sorry Melenie – what happened to my sister was REAL – she is not ” immuno-compomised ” It is what it is ! whilst I respect your opinion – I will be guided by what I have seen working in Health Care for many years – by the way if I had children I would have them fully vaccinated – all I am saying is that there are REAL incidents of Vaccines not working and in fact having a detremental effect on some people – I have seen it with my own eyes – and I have looked after some of those children !! cheers

WAAV fired back criticising Wilson’s interpretation of what he claims to have seen as not proven scientific fact. She (I think it’s a female running that page) also questioned Wilson’s RN status. Melanie simply repeated her point about herd immunity and wanted to know how many times she had to tell him about it. But would Wilson listen?

I don’t “claim ” to be – I AM also a Registered Psychiatric Nurse – not that it’s really any of your business ! – you are nothing but a annoying little pedant !!

Without proof I would point out! And to Melanie;

well Melanie perhaps YOU are wrong ??? you seem to have extremly fixed Ideas about this ! – but that is fairly ” normal ” with people who are unable or refuse to think for themselves !!

WAAV made it clear that she didn’t believe his claims as he hadn’t provided proof. She also pointed to Melanie’s argument and how Wilson never addressed it. There was a discussion between Mel and WAAV before Wilson ran for it thus;

not going to waste my time witha Pedantic Idiot ! goodbye

At that point, Wilson blocked WAAV – and Melanie strode in pointing out that both of them had owned him and accused him of running away. Get a load of this whine in reply;

OH Melanie – Please ??? -you two are not that important nor smart !! – no one ” owns ” me never have never will you are nothing but a boring ” know it all ” that knows nothing !!! your gone as well now bye, bye

And he blocked Melanie as well!

Elsewhere on the Minister’s Facebook page, Wilson responded to an original comment from Emily about whooping cough and how it kills children referencing a dying infant and how horrible it is to see. She also mentioned herd immunity. Here’s Wilson with the same rhetoric;

Emil – really ??? – my sister was minutes from Death with Whooping Cough at the age of 8 yrs and she was FULLY VACCINATED ??? –

Boosters were mentioned as well as herd immunity again, by Amanda Winkworth and Vivienne Kempson again – but Wilson refused to listen – again;

Like I said we were both FULLY Vaccinated – – I am a Qualified General and Psychiatric Nurse with over 25 yrs Experience ! – I think that I may have some Knowledge about this ? – perhaps you should ” open your eyes ” a little and listen to other pionts of view that have been driven by REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE ? – cheers

It will take too long to go through the responses here as there were several, including Melanie and WAAV. Wilson’s next comment was in reply to WAAV pointing out that science is more reliable that “real world” experience;

arrogant Idiot – what experience have you had ????

WAAV pointed to her experience with anti vaxxers, while Melanie pointed out that it is possible to misinterpret life experience so such experience doesn’t matter. Wilson wasn’t taking that;

whatever Melanie -at least I haved had that experience – unlike you – no malice intended ! – it is what it is hey ? cheers

And to WAAV;

such an arrogant Idiot you are ! text book/ internet expert ! – have you ever even seen a really sick person ? I doubt it ! – nothing but a boring ” know it all ” about nothing !

That was when I chimed in on my political account;

No, Melanie is right. Your experience is worthless if you can’t interpret it right. It’s like actually seeing a train crash and believing it was a terrorist attack, even though an investigation reveals genuine brake failure.

Wilson totally ignored what I said! WAAV called Wilson out on name calling and repeated the query about Wilson being a registered nurse. Wilson saw red obviously;

how would you know ??? just for the record – I am a Registered General Nurse – a Registered Psychiatric Nurse – I have a B.A. ( rec ) – I am a Certified P. M. A. and I also haold a Trade Certificate – what may I ask is your Experience other than being a Pedant ?

WAAV pointed out that she wasn’t a nurse and she wasn’t an immunologist either, but then neither was Wilson. Along with other challenges, Wilson responded thus;

you have just proven that you really have no idea of how the health system works – just acomplete Idiot tat would argue tat black is white – and yes I am retired – and my sister was literaly ” minutes from death ” – I was there – you were not ! – and I am not an ” anti-vaxer ” !! you goose –

I was quick with the obvious response;

Yes you are, because you were querying the efficacy of the pertussis vaccine. That’s anti vax talk – like it or not.

David Wilson is an obvious anti vaxxer. He doesn’t accept herd immunity and uses a single bad experience from his sister when she was 8 as proof, without a valid back up. He wouldn’t have known what the vaccination rates were at the time (he guessed), and I do know that many areas many years ago had low rates – making a mockery of his guess that they were high. And what was high? Was it enough for herd immunity to stick? Obviously not in that case. There are many holes in his claims, and if he has retired as a nurse he is lucky because as was pointed out RN’s are under the microscope at the moment as they will be losing their jobs if they are caught preaching anti vaccine views.

His conduct smacks of a probable inciter of child neglect and he will be added to the AV Name Check on the next update. Whooping cough is a proven killer as we know, and he knows as well but the solution is the vaccine. And that’s it.

Devil Steele the latest nut

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One thing people should never do – cross me. Especially when I’m doing the right thing, and end up on the receiving end of blatant abuse. Case in point, the inappropriately named Angelica Rose Steele. Angel my foot. Rose my rear end!

For instance, get a load of this rubbish from the Mamma Mia blog!

Everybody has the right to refuse any medication they see fit, Mia. Pro-vax or otherwise. It is part of the intrinsic patient/doctor relationship and hypocrattic oath. Refusal of vaccines is not new, it has been happening since the dawn of vaccinations, Mia. When 1 in 200 kids were killed from the smallpox vaccine itself (when smallpox was already 90% eradicated due to improved sanitation).. If it was your own child who was a victim, u would think differently. If something has the capacity to kill children and adults, it is not as harmless as eating a chocolate bar. People can read the ingredients of the vaccines, research the diseases, research the potential adverse effects of the vaccine and do their own cost-benefit analysis. It’s not your choice to make. To expect that u can dictate on such matters is called fascism. You have tried to make this is into a pro-vax vs. anti-vax debate, when it isn’t at all, it’s a fundamental right to have choice over one’s own healthcare and what they decide to put into their own or their children’s systems. Governance over our bodies is our number 1 human right. Australian policies might have tried to erode this, but it still doesn’t change the fact it is a number 1 human right. Now, u are going overboard on this, and it is making you look silly. Everybody knows you can live in a 12-million dollar house thanks to glaxosmithkline’s hefty cheques and pharmaceutical advertisement sponsorship. I think it’s about time u come clean with your reader base.

1. No one has the right to place themselves and more importantly those around them under threat! Refusal of vaccines has never been in such numbers as we have now so that point is not relevant.

2. Smallpox was not eradicated by better sanitation. That is a lie. The vaccine did that, and the deaths were the result of poor use – which back in those days was more common than it is now.

3. I know several people who would fit the bill of “seeing” it, and have not changed their view about vaccination at all. No vaccine BY ITSELF is capable of killing. It only kills if it is used wrong. A chocolate bar for example can kill someone who has an allergy to cocoa!

4. The ingredient argument is common amongst anti vaxxers who don’t understand compounds – or indeed chemical bonding as one bright spark pointed out as another term to use that is just as useful.

5. There is one aspect of human life that requires a dictatorship – caring and looking after children. They have a fundamental right to be protected from preventable disease, and if you don’t vaccinate them then you are denying them that right.

6. Mia Freedman operates on her own. She doesn’t get paid to stat the facts. Neither do I. I doubt Mia’s home is worth $12 million.

And this is just a background. I can’t tell much more about Steele except that she studied in Queensland at QUT, and that she lives at present in the UK in London. And yet from that distance she think she can dictate to me and make wild and desperate accusations when I called the Desiree Dance Academy out for their hosting an event this past weekend. I gave them a 1 star review thus;

Elly from this Academy said;
“Here at Desiree Dance Academy we believe in everyone’s right for free speech and would have no problem hosting a pro-vaccination event if asked, we’re not bias
I feel very sad that you are judging me and my dance school when you have never been to my dance school or met me in person.”

I’m going to be blunt. I don’t believe you. By allowing an anti vaccine presentation, you placed your students in danger because you put yourself in a position to have an influx of unvaccinated young children in your Academy leading to an outbreak of a preventable disease that can kill. Should it happen, that will be on you for allowing the event to begin with. This is why you blotted your copybook with this allowance and you deserve the criticism you have received. You need to apologise for this act that has encouraged a bad health choice in Clarkson and the surrounding suburbs. <<

And here’s this witch with this pack of lies and abuse which I did report to Facebook.

how sad and apalling that u have to troll and abuse every day people, because your troll-masters write u a pay-cheque to do so. Never had a real job a day in your life, u narcissistic little weirdo. I think it is time to get u arrested for bullying and harrassment, u creep.

As usual – FB failed to see an issue in their normal attack of inconsistency. She followed it with other abuse, which at first I responded to individually before merging them up. Here’s what she said;

Phil Gluyas ha. Not a false report when we can record every bit of online hararassment u make. To troll and make a bad review of a dance studio u don’t even know and most certainly have never been to, is absolutely defamation, and bullying and harassment, u and fellow no-life vultures are known for doing this, but mark my words, your day is coming.

Phil Gluyas I would do better than call the police. and it’s about time u realise that u and your cohorts trolling behavior, harrassment and defamation of people u don’t even know will not be tolerated.

pahahaha

Phil Gluyas total weirdo. u are just a weirdo sitting behind a computer screen typing out to the tune of your sexual frustration, not the big almighty troll warrior u think u are. step off the computer and get yourself some therapy, mate.

This is the merged reply I gave;

And you would be in trouble for making a false report in all respects. I have done nothing wrong. So go ahead and call the police – oh wait you can’t because you live in the UK and I’m in Australia. There is no defamation. I have told the truth, and I believe you are abusing the FB Comm Standards with your abusive attack. Strongly recommend you delete your comment Unless you approve of the encouragement of actions that amount to placing children’s lives under threat. Do you? Your laughter indicates you have have issues as does that last rant that is so far off base it’s nuts. Who needs therapy? Not me.

Paul Jones charged in with this;

Typically antivaxers are the narcissists, thinking they know more than infectious disease experts. Also looks very much like you are threatening Phil in some way. Duly noted and screenshotted.

And all Steele could say was;

as u have all been duly noted and screenshotted. I think it’s rather obvious who is in the wrong here. your troll-masters need to put in some rules and boundaries. if u are not prepared to draw the line at harrassing and bullying people and companies alike, such as this: reviewing a dance company with a bad review, despite never been a customer there, u can expect to pay the consequences.

Paul wanted to know what the consequences were, and warned her to exercise caution in her reply.

For myself I’ll add to what I said above with the following. Valid opinion does not equal defamation, especially when that opinion is backed up. I know what defamation is – I sued three people successfully for defaming me. My criticism of the Academy (and note that I was not the only one to do this and yet this witch targets me) was valid and correct. Trolling is not illegal, and it is not abuse to tell the truth. I – like every other pro vaccine proponent on Facebook – am yet to see one red cent from anyone over our efforts. As people who know me are aware, I have a work history so obviously she never looked my name up. The people who need to be arrested are idiots like this witch, for bullying and harassing innocent parents into believing that vaccines aren’t safe and shouldn’t be used. That is incitement into child neglect.

Welcome to the AV Name Check, Steele. And I have blocked her on FB now.