Idiotics on the AVrN page

After the hearing on Wednesday, I wasn’t surprised that there was a lot of comment. Mostly hope for the objection being dismissed of course.

But after a video of that hack Julian Gillespie trying to explain in layman’s terms the legal arguments of both sides (I didn’t bother with the video myself because that’s not what this entry is about) we had some total rubbish.

Out of control, Miles? The Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency do their job appropriately and correctly. They get rid of dangerous people when reported. Dangerous people should be deregistered. What’s out of control are idiots who think they can undermine medical health and get away with it.

Fast AJ was right. It wasn’t blatantly obvious of course, but the line of queries were along those lines and rightly because that is the base of the standing required. The reply by Attard was defamatory. All judges are honest and fair on the basis of the evidence presented. Soul’s agreement shows how easy it is to fall for the simple and incorrect argument.

More defamation by Pititto this time. None are corrupt – at all.

This is the comment that caused me to write this blog entry. It is rubbish. Parliamentarians have indeed been excluded for not being vaccinated. In Victoria both David Limbrick and Tim Quilty did their work remotely. I think Adem Somyurek did too, until he got the jab in order to get in there and try to stop the pandemic laws here. Pretty sure Pauline Hansen’s absence in Canberra was for the same reason. While it is so that the Constitution has nothing about it, it’s not true that the Constitution directly prohibits it. Mandates DO apply to the police – this witch Zag is going on the New Zealand High Court call which does not apply here in Australia. Natasha Henry is out of the NSW Police because of the mandate there (see Kassam and Henry v Hazzard). The so-called elitist do get COVID. Morrison got it, and he’s not the only one. The Queen got it for goodness sake – it gets everyone if allowed! The vaccine needs to be administered to bring this pandemic down to endemic levels – and this witch clearly considers just 11 deaths from the Astra Zeneca vaccine and none from Pfizer or Moderna to be enough of a concern. We need the Moderna factory, and the Pfizer one too. Jobs.

I know through experience that legal argument is complex and is not quick and easy. The guy representing the TGA and the Department of Health was excellent and he didn’t gas on at all. He introduced the Right to Life precedent as I mentioned in the last entry and made a series of very good arguments. I do have the advantage of understanding legals and this person commenting doesn’t. Both representatives did the same and I think Robinson (the AVrN’s rep) took even more time including the reply. Justice will be done, the TGA has plenty to stand on (that’s for Annells in reply) and the objection will be upheld. The people wasting taxpayer’s money is the AVrN – making the government employ lawyers to defend themselves easily and successfully.

More defamation. Prove it, Thompson!

Brendan Murphy will be vindicated. He is already accountable and the accusations made against him by the AVrN are false. The “hard work” will fail and the research they have presented will be tossed in the bin as the unvalidated pseudo science it is. The numbers they rely on are unproven and therefore wrong. The number of deaths in the US is not confirmed because the source (VAERS) in unreliable. I’ve already spoken of the number of deaths in Australia. The vaccines are not dangerous. Dehnert is lying and doesn’t know it.

Justice Beech-Jones in the matter of Kassam and Henry v Hazzard made it clear that choice still exists. The limited mandates are not based in forcing a person to be vaccinated – that is being held down on the table/floor/whatever and being given the jab in that forced situation. You can choose not to get it. You can also choose to rob a bank. His Honour settled that aspect. The other aspect that is settled was also in my last blog entry here – section 48 of the Disability Discrimination Act and section 19 of the Work Health and Safety Act.

Walker doesn’t know what corruption is. The law is the law – true and right. Calling that corrupt is delusional. Semantics and wriggle room only comes from precedents otherwise, based in interpretation. The correct interpretation of the law will uphold the objection and the AVrN case will be thrown out as it should be.

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Clobbering the AVrN’s Fed Court standing

I was intending to post this before today’s interlocutory hearing, but I figured I would adjust to the notes from the hearing (allowed under the orders of the Court that her Honour Justice Perry mentioned).

First off – the vaccines are not experimental. The trials were concluded at the end of 2020 prior to the TGA’s provisional approval. Secondly, VAERS in the US is not reliable as anyone can put in reports and have not been confirmed. So that number of 4 thousand deaths in the US can not be relied upon as accurate. Vaccines are not mandated as a whole, and a choice remains (this was established in Kassam and Henry v Hazzard) – even in state orders. Such orders are legal under section 48 of the Disability Discrimination Act. I have said that many times and I’m not the only one who has said it either. Indeed, Justice Beech-Jones referred to it in the aforementioned decision even if it didn’t go to the heart of the matter before that court.

Second, the pressing of the AVrN’s interests as valid without considering their standing within that is ridiculous. An attempt was made to push the claim that the AVrN had a positive effect on legislation – but there was no proof of it. Of course there wasn’t – because they didn’t. Bob Brown’s Amendments to legislation back in 1997 would have been proposed anyway, and they have since been removed in 2015 despite the AVrN’s objection. This refers to the conscientious objection clause. The special interest factor must carry valid backing and it has none. The backing claimed is controversial which I go to further down this blog entry.

Third – I go back to the state orders, specifically in South Australia with the joinder applicant. Again, section 48 of the DDA applies and so does section 19 of the Work Health and Safety Act which goes to the employer’s primary duty of care to protect the health and safety of their employees. If a person isn’t vaccinated they present a threat to the health and safety of other employees. The idiot also apparently went to the ingredients in his objection to his dismissal – a basic error made by an anti vaxxer.

Fourth – the claim that the AVrN and the joinder applicant will be badly affected by a negative result is a lie. The AVrN will go on regardless and the joinder applicant will continue his life.

The written submission that the AVrN published on their website (the base of my original intent to post here) mentions the respondent’s objection using the word “busybody”. I agree with this word being used, and there is a very good example of it. Meryl Dorey’s treatment of the McAffrey family. As we know the McAffrey’s daughter died from whooping cough, and Dorey demanded access to the death certificate trying to prove that this was not the cause of death. She has denied it, but proof of this effort and other related efforts at the time to pressure the McAffreys exists in email records. That is just one example that is on the public record – thanks in part to Jane Hansen. I hate Sky News, but they did the right thing in transmitting Jane’s documentary promoted here;
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/sky-news-presents-big-shots-antivaxxers-exposed/video/8de43cc1f34c41d772b298deffe169d7

One part of it that says plenty about Dorey’s attitude – a highly relevant question asked by Jane; “Do you believe in COVID?”. Dorey replies “Do you believe in Santa Claus?” That comment says a great deal about her core position on the prevailing situation. She doesn’t believe COVID-19 even exists. It does and we all know it.

The submission includes authorities to back their claims of standing and it’s clear – the matters referred to there carry none of the controversy surrounding the AVrN. The AVrN promote themselves as authorities on vaccines when they are not. The proof lies in the reason why I got involved in fighting this moronic lot to begin with – their claim that vaccines cause Autism;
https://avn.org.au/information/vaccine-injury/autism-and-vaccines/

I have made it clear over and over again my extreme offence to that and how that I consider it hate speech. That factor is hopefully in hand. This is aside from clear issues with the authorities in general that Her Honour Justice Perry identified. The barrister representing the respondent made a great point that the applicant must have something to lose to have sufficient interest, or conversely something to gain. Neither apply to the AVrN because they are busybodies. Likewise the fact that the TGA provisionally approved all the vaccines but had no say (in effect) in whether or not they would be used – either by the federal government through the roll out provisions, or the states through the provision of the vaccines themselves to the people. Also – in a really important note – no government (state or federal) recognises the AVrN in any way as an authority. In fact the New South Wales government through it’s Department of Fair Trading have gone in the opposite direction making them change their name from the original. And there was a great precedent to add to it, involving the equally controversial Right To Life group who were ruled as not having standing in an abortion matter – specifically an abortion pill for which similar circumstances applied.

The final reason the AVrN doesn’t have standing goes to their use of the Vaxxed Bus (which incidentally is being replaced after the original was wrecked by the recent floods in Northern New South Wales). It records stories of vaccination injury (in general – not just COVID). These stories should in fact be told to the TGA directly or to the health authorities in the relevant state. This goes directly to the allegation that the AVrN are busybodies. They are interfering. They are in effect hiding information from the health authorities that may be useful with a full investigation. I touched on this in the blog entry here Once and for all, prove it. I have long held that while it is fact that vaccines do not cause Autism, they could in certain circumstances play a role in sensory overloads – a very big threat to Autistic children. For example – some vaccines have a restriction of not being administered to any child running a temperature. Most do not have this restriction, but what if for an Autistic some more vaccines may be in this category and not for neurotypical children? We don’t know because these people are not presenting their children for a full evaluation. Indeed – over the Summer of 2016 and 2017 I spoke to the then head of immunisation in Victoria, Steve Pellisier. He told me that he had referred no less than eleven parents to either the Royal Children’s Hospital, or the children’s section of the Monash Medical Centre for said full evaluation – free of charge. And not one of the parents took up the offer.

The bottom line is that the AVrN do not have standing. Their character is poor. They are purveyors of misinformation. They rely on information that is falsified and inaccurate. Ultimately in the absence of proof of their claims, they are liars. They are afraid to pursue real proof because they know deep down they can’t prove anything and are afraid that alternative causes will arise and destroy their main purpose. Their purpose is not to inform about vaccines as they claim. Their purpose is to destroy the base of vaccines and in the process put children and adults in danger from preventable disease. An organisation like that can not and should never have standing to lodge claims in any Court let alone the Federal Court.